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 Post subject: CreateSQLQuery giving error
PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:30 am 
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[b]Hibernate version:[/b]

Hibernate3 beta 3

[b]Mapping documents:[/b]

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<!DOCTYPE hibernate-mapping PUBLIC
"-//Hibernate/Hibernate Mapping DTD 3.0//EN"
"http://hibernate.sourceforge.net/hibernate-mapping-3.0.dtd">
<hibernate-mapping package="testApp">
<class name="Department" table="dept" lazy="true">
<id name="deptNo" column="deptno" type="int">
<generator class="native"/>
</id>
<property name="deptName" column="deptname" />
<property name="deptLoc" column="deptloc" />
</class>
</hibernate-mapping>

[b]Code between sessionFactory.openSession() and session.close():[/b]

Session session = factory.openSession();
try {
Query query = session.createSQLQuery("SELECT {d.*} FROM dept
{d}","d",Department.class);
System.out.println("Query created : "+query);
List list = query.list();
System.out.println("List size : "+list.size());
Iterator iterator = list.iterator();
while(iterator.hasNext()){
System.out.println("Department name is : "+((Department)
iterator.next()).getDeptName());
}
}
catch(Exception e){
System.out.println("Exception in method " + e);
}
finally {
session.close();
}

[b]Full stack trace of any exception that occurs:[/b]

java.lang.Error: Unresolved compilation problem:
The method createSQLQuery(String) in the type Session is not applicable for the arguments (String, String, Class)

at testApp.SampleApp.getDepartmentDetailsByDept(SampleApp.java:126)
at testApp.SampleApp.main(SampleApp.java:61)
Exception in thread "main"

[b]Name and version of the database you are using:[/b]

Oracle 9

[b]The generated SQL (show_sql=true):[/b]

No sql generated

[b]Debug level Hibernate log excerpt:[/b]

Feb 16, 2005 10:27:28 AM org.hibernate.cfg.Environment <clinit>
INFO: Hibernate 3.0 beta 3
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:28 AM org.hibernate.cfg.Environment <clinit>
INFO: loaded properties from resource hibernate.properties: {hibernate.order_updates=true, hibernate.connection.driver_class=oracle.jdbc.driver.OracleDriver, hibernate.cglib.use_reflection_optimizer=true, hibernate.cache.provider_class=org.hibernate.cache.HashtableCacheProvider, hibernate.max_fetch_depth=1, hibernate.dialect=org.hibernate.dialect.Oracle9Dialect, hibernate.jdbc.use_streams_for_binary=true, hibernate.query.substitutions=true 1, false 0, yes 'Y', no 'N', hibernate.proxool.pool_alias=pool1, hibernate.connection.username=hibernate, hibernate.cache.region_prefix=hibernate.test, hibernate.connection.url=jdbc:oracle:thin:@192.168.210.109:1521:EIPTEST1, hibernate.connection.password=hibernate321, hibernate.jdbc.batch_versioned_data=true, hibernate.connection.pool_size=1}
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:28 AM org.hibernate.cfg.Environment <clinit>
INFO: using java.io streams to persist binary types
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:28 AM org.hibernate.cfg.Environment <clinit>
INFO: using CGLIB reflection optimizer
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:28 AM org.hibernate.cfg.Environment <clinit>
INFO: using JDK 1.4 java.sql.Timestamp handling
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:28 AM org.hibernate.cfg.Configuration addClass
INFO: Mapping resource: testApp/Department.hbm.xml
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:29 AM org.hibernate.cfg.HbmBinder bindRootClass
INFO: Mapping class: testApp.Department -> dept
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:29 AM org.hibernate.cfg.Configuration secondPassCompile
INFO: processing extends queue
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:29 AM org.hibernate.cfg.Configuration secondPassCompile
INFO: processing collection mappings
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:29 AM org.hibernate.cfg.Configuration secondPassCompile
INFO: processing association property references
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:29 AM org.hibernate.cfg.Configuration secondPassCompile
INFO: processing foreign key constraints
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:29 AM org.hibernate.dialect.Dialect <init>
INFO: Using dialect: org.hibernate.dialect.Oracle9Dialect
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:29 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory buildSettings
INFO: Maximum outer join fetch depth: 1
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:29 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory buildSettings
INFO: Default batch fetch size: 1
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:29 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory buildSettings
INFO: Generate SQL with comments: disabled
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:29 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory buildSettings
INFO: Order SQL updates by primary key: enabled
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:29 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory createQueryTranslatorFactory
INFO: Query translator: org.hibernate.hql.classic.ClassicQueryTranslatorFactory
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:29 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory buildSettings
INFO: Query language substitutions: {no='N', true=1, yes='Y', false=0}
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:29 AM org.hibernate.connection.DriverManagerConnectionProvider configure
INFO: Using Hibernate built-in connection pool (not for production use!)
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:29 AM org.hibernate.connection.DriverManagerConnectionProvider configure
INFO: Hibernate connection pool size: 1
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:29 AM org.hibernate.connection.DriverManagerConnectionProvider configure
INFO: autocommit mode: false
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:29 AM org.hibernate.connection.DriverManagerConnectionProvider configure
INFO: using driver: oracle.jdbc.driver.OracleDriver at URL: jdbc:oracle:thin:@192.168.210.109:1521:EIPTEST1
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:29 AM org.hibernate.connection.DriverManagerConnectionProvider configure
INFO: connection properties: {user=hibernate, password=****}
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:30 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory buildSettings
INFO: JDBC batch size: 15
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:30 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory buildSettings
INFO: JDBC batch updates for versioned data: enabled
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:30 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory buildSettings
INFO: Scrollable result sets: enabled
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:30 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory buildSettings
INFO: JDBC3 getGeneratedKeys(): disabled
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:30 AM org.hibernate.transaction.TransactionFactoryFactory buildTransactionFactory
INFO: Using default transaction strategy (direct JDBC transactions)
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:30 AM org.hibernate.transaction.TransactionManagerLookupFactory getTransactionManagerLookup
INFO: No TransactionManagerLookup configured (in JTA environment, use of read-write or transactional second-level cache is not recommended)
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:30 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory buildSettings
INFO: Automatic flush during beforeCompletion(): disabled
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:30 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory buildSettings
INFO: Automatic session close at end of transaction: disabled
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:30 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory createCacheProvider
INFO: Cache provider: org.hibernate.cache.HashtableCacheProvider
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:30 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory buildSettings
INFO: Second-level cache: enabled
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:30 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory buildSettings
INFO: Optimize cache for minimal puts: disabled
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:30 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory buildSettings
INFO: Cache region prefix: hibernate.test
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:30 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory buildSettings
INFO: Structured second-level cache entries: enabled
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:30 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory buildSettings
INFO: Query cache: disabled
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:30 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory buildSettings
INFO: Statistics: disabled
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:30 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory buildSettings
INFO: Deleted entity synthetic identifier rollback: disabled
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:30 AM org.hibernate.impl.SessionFactoryImpl <init>
INFO: building session factory
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:30 AM org.hibernate.impl.SessionFactoryObjectFactory addInstance
INFO: Not binding factory to JNDI, no JNDI name configured
Feb 16, 2005 10:27:30 AM org.hibernate.impl.SessionFactoryImpl checkNamedQueries
INFO: Checking 0 named queries
java.lang.Error: Unresolved compilation problem:
The method createSQLQuery(String) in the type Session is not applicable for the arguments (String, String, Class)

at testApp.SampleApp.getDepartmentDetailsByDept(SampleApp.java:126)
at testApp.SampleApp.main(SampleApp.java:61)
Exception in thread "main"


[u][b]II[/b][/u]


[b]Hibernate version:[/b]

Hibernate3 beta 3

[b]Mapping documents:[/b]

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<!DOCTYPE hibernate-mapping PUBLIC
"-//Hibernate/Hibernate Mapping DTD 3.0//EN"
"http://hibernate.sourceforge.net/hibernate-mapping-3.0.dtd">
<hibernate-mapping package="testApp">
<class name="Department" table="dept" lazy="true">
<id name="deptNo" column="deptno" type="int">
<generator class="native"/>
</id>
<property name="deptName" column="deptname" />
<property name="deptLoc" column="deptloc" />
</class>
</hibernate-mapping>

[b]Code between sessionFactory.openSession() and session.close():[/b]

Session session = factory.openSession();
try {
Query query = session.createSQLQuery("SELECT * FROM dept");
System.out.println("Query created : "+query);
List list = query.list();
System.out.println("List size : "+list.size());
Iterator iterator = list.iterator();
while(iterator.hasNext()){
System.out.println("Department name is : "+((Department)
iterator.next()).getDeptName());
}
}
catch(Exception e){
System.out.println("Exception in method " + e);
}
finally {
session.close();
}

[b]Full stack trace of any exception that occurs:[/b]

List size : 12
Exception in method java.lang.ClassCastException

[b]Name and version of the database you are using:[/b]

Oracle 9

[b]The generated SQL (show_sql=true):[/b]

Query I/P : SELECT * FROM dept
Query O/P : SELECT * FROM dept

[b]Debug level Hibernate log excerpt:[/b]

Feb 16, 2005 10:38:32 AM org.hibernate.cfg.Environment <clinit>
INFO: Hibernate 3.0 beta 3
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:32 AM org.hibernate.cfg.Environment <clinit>
INFO: loaded properties from resource hibernate.properties: {hibernate.order_updates=true, hibernate.connection.driver_class=oracle.jdbc.driver.OracleDriver, hibernate.cglib.use_reflection_optimizer=true, hibernate.cache.provider_class=org.hibernate.cache.HashtableCacheProvider, hibernate.max_fetch_depth=1, hibernate.dialect=org.hibernate.dialect.Oracle9Dialect, hibernate.jdbc.use_streams_for_binary=true, hibernate.query.substitutions=true 1, false 0, yes 'Y', no 'N', hibernate.proxool.pool_alias=pool1, hibernate.connection.username=hibernate, hibernate.cache.region_prefix=hibernate.test, hibernate.connection.url=jdbc:oracle:thin:@192.168.210.109:1521:EIPTEST1, hibernate.connection.password=hibernate321, hibernate.jdbc.batch_versioned_data=true, hibernate.connection.pool_size=1}
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:32 AM org.hibernate.cfg.Environment <clinit>
INFO: using java.io streams to persist binary types
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:32 AM org.hibernate.cfg.Environment <clinit>
INFO: using CGLIB reflection optimizer
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:32 AM org.hibernate.cfg.Environment <clinit>
INFO: using JDK 1.4 java.sql.Timestamp handling
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:32 AM org.hibernate.cfg.Configuration addClass
INFO: Mapping resource: testApp/Department.hbm.xml
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:33 AM org.hibernate.cfg.HbmBinder bindRootClass
INFO: Mapping class: testApp.Department -> dept
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:33 AM org.hibernate.cfg.Configuration secondPassCompile
INFO: processing extends queue
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:33 AM org.hibernate.cfg.Configuration secondPassCompile
INFO: processing collection mappings
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:33 AM org.hibernate.cfg.Configuration secondPassCompile
INFO: processing association property references
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:33 AM org.hibernate.cfg.Configuration secondPassCompile
INFO: processing foreign key constraints
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:33 AM org.hibernate.dialect.Dialect <init>
INFO: Using dialect: org.hibernate.dialect.Oracle9Dialect
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:33 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory buildSettings
INFO: Maximum outer join fetch depth: 1
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:33 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory buildSettings
INFO: Default batch fetch size: 1
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:33 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory buildSettings
INFO: Generate SQL with comments: disabled
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:33 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory buildSettings
INFO: Order SQL updates by primary key: enabled
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:33 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory createQueryTranslatorFactory
INFO: Query translator: org.hibernate.hql.classic.ClassicQueryTranslatorFactory
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:33 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory buildSettings
INFO: Query language substitutions: {no='N', true=1, yes='Y', false=0}
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:33 AM org.hibernate.connection.DriverManagerConnectionProvider configure
INFO: Using Hibernate built-in connection pool (not for production use!)
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:33 AM org.hibernate.connection.DriverManagerConnectionProvider configure
INFO: Hibernate connection pool size: 1
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:33 AM org.hibernate.connection.DriverManagerConnectionProvider configure
INFO: autocommit mode: false
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:33 AM org.hibernate.connection.DriverManagerConnectionProvider configure
INFO: using driver: oracle.jdbc.driver.OracleDriver at URL: jdbc:oracle:thin:@192.168.210.109:1521:EIPTEST1
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:33 AM org.hibernate.connection.DriverManagerConnectionProvider configure
INFO: connection properties: {user=hibernate, password=****}
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:34 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory buildSettings
INFO: JDBC batch size: 15
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:34 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory buildSettings
INFO: JDBC batch updates for versioned data: enabled
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:34 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory buildSettings
INFO: Scrollable result sets: enabled
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:34 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory buildSettings
INFO: JDBC3 getGeneratedKeys(): disabled
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:34 AM org.hibernate.transaction.TransactionFactoryFactory buildTransactionFactory
INFO: Using default transaction strategy (direct JDBC transactions)
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:34 AM org.hibernate.transaction.TransactionManagerLookupFactory getTransactionManagerLookup
INFO: No TransactionManagerLookup configured (in JTA environment, use of read-write or transactional second-level cache is not recommended)
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:34 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory buildSettings
INFO: Automatic flush during beforeCompletion(): disabled
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:34 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory buildSettings
INFO: Automatic session close at end of transaction: disabled
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:34 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory createCacheProvider
INFO: Cache provider: org.hibernate.cache.HashtableCacheProvider
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:34 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory buildSettings
INFO: Second-level cache: enabled
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:34 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory buildSettings
INFO: Optimize cache for minimal puts: disabled
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:34 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory buildSettings
INFO: Cache region prefix: hibernate.test
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:34 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory buildSettings
INFO: Structured second-level cache entries: enabled
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:34 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory buildSettings
INFO: Query cache: disabled
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:34 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory buildSettings
INFO: Statistics: disabled
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:34 AM org.hibernate.cfg.SettingsFactory buildSettings
INFO: Deleted entity synthetic identifier rollback: disabled
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:34 AM org.hibernate.impl.SessionFactoryImpl <init>
INFO: building session factory
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:34 AM org.hibernate.impl.SessionFactoryObjectFactory addInstance
INFO: Not binding factory to JNDI, no JNDI name configured
Feb 16, 2005 10:38:34 AM org.hibernate.impl.SessionFactoryImpl checkNamedQueries
INFO: Checking 0 named queries
Query created : SQLQueryImpl(SELECT * FROM dept)
Query I/P : SELECT * FROM dept
Query O/P : SELECT * FROM dept
SQLCustomQuery : 1 SELECT * FROM dept
SQLCustomQuery : 2 SELECT * FROM dept
SQLCustomQuery : 3 SELECT * FROM dept
SQLCustomQuery : 4 SELECT * FROM dept
SQLCustomQuery : 5 SELECT * FROM dept
SQLCustomQuery : 6 SELECT * FROM dept
SQLCustomQuery : End SELECT * FROM dept
List size : 12
Exception in method java.lang.ClassCastException


In the first case it is not creating the query itself. In the second case its creating the query but am not able to typecast it to Department.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 5:11 am 
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#1 is a compile error - you are calling some method that does not exist.
Maybe it have been move to the classic.Session ?

#2 you are using the createSQLQuery wrong! Please read the docs and unit tests to see how to use it.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 5:55 am 
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I referred Hibernate Reference Documentation 3.0 beta4 which says :

List cats = session.createSQLQuery(
"SELECT {cat.*} FROM CAT {cat} WHERE ROWNUM<10",
"cat",
Cat.class
).list();

The one i tried is
Query query = session.createSQLQuery("SELECT {d.*} FROM dept
{d}","d",Department.class);
for which i got a compilation error -
"The method createSQLQuery(String) in the type Session is not applicable for the arguments (String, String, Class)"

When i tried
Query query = session.createSQLQuery("SELECT {d}.* FROM dept {d}");
am getting the following exception

"Exception in method org.hibernate.exception.SQLGrammarException: could not execute query"

and for
Query query = session.createSQLQuery("SELECT * FROM dept");

i am able to execute the query but getting "java.lang.ClassCastException" when i try to cast it to Department class.
is it because i am using it wrongly(as you said), i could not find out any example with createSQLQuery(String sql).

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 6:01 am 
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please try and read that posting again ,)

you use {d}.* or * where the doc says {d.*}

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 6:25 am 
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Please see my post once again i tried all the three

{d.*} , {d}.* and *

for {d.*} i got compilation error

"createSQLQuery(String) in the type Session is not applicable for the arguments (String, String, Class)" "

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 6:39 am 
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ok i give up now.

I have told you to go look at this stuff in the unit tests - especially for H3 since stuff have changed/improved here. You clearly did not so...

if you want more help please consider getting commercial development support http://hibernate.org/SupportTraining/Co ... rHibernate

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 Post subject: methos is not supported any longer
PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:14 pm 
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Lakshmi;

The documentaiton is not yet updated. The method you are tryingf to call no longer eists. Please refer tot he unit tests as Max point out to see the new way of using the method.
yuou need to understand that hibernate is in the process of being updated from verison 2.x.x. to 3 and as such not all the doumentation is up to date. The best way to look for examples until the upgrade is completed is to look at the test cases and the unit cases in the source code for code smaples or to read the java doc.

in you sepecific case the method:

Query query = session.createSQLQuery("SELECT {d}.* FROM dept
{d}","d",Department.class);

is now something like this:


SQLQuery query = session.createSQLQuery("SELECT {d.*} FROM dept {d}")
.addEntity("d", Department.class);


Finally please see the unit tests.....

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:41 am 
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I saw the unittest , tried that and it is working. I was looking the documentation and doing it.

Thank you.

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 Post subject: General coding standards
PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 6:26 am 
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Very unprofessional Hibernate. You can't simply remove methods that are exposed to clients. You should provide alternative routes, or overloading a method should be considered.

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Very unproffesional user!

Have you *read* the H2 to H3 migration guide and found the classic.Session ?

/max

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No, but were in the readme.txt is metioned that I should?


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Latest Documentation:

http://hibernate.org

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Ok, fair enough, but you should at least metion the existance of such a document.


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